055: Nathan Tabor, Doing it God’s Way – Part 1

Have you ever found yourself entirely consumed by the pressures of daily life?  Maybe you have personal knowledge of the affect job stress has on your personal relationships.Maybe your desire to succeed outweighs anything else right now.  Do you think that if you just made ‘X’ amount of dollars, then you’d be free to spend time doing what you enjoy?  Does it even seem possible to strike a balance between work and life?  Today’s guest has been there, done that, and literally written a book about it.  Nathan Tabor is an entrepreneur, consultant, husband, father, and brother in Christ.  He’s on the podcast today sharing how his life began to change for the better when he finally started to do things God’s way.

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Humble Beginnings

Nathan was raised in Orange Crossroads, Alabama – a close knit community where “every family worked”.  The youngest of three kids, he was no stranger to hand-me-down clothes.  Though he didn’t realize it at the time, they were by most definitions “poor“.  His father was a circuit preacher who made a living as a painter.  Nathan grew up with a “good, solid, biblical foundation”, spending every fourth Sunday in a nearby church to hear his father preach.  As he grew up, his father became successful in painting, and Nathan’s brother started a soy company.  By the age of 29, Nathan was a single guy living in a 6,000 square foot house.By society’s standards, he’d made it.

TheVicious Cycle

Truth be told, there’s nothing wrong with money.  The problems come when money takes our focus off of God; when money itself becomes the focus.  Initially, we may convince ourselves that if we meet our monetary goal of ‘x’ dollars a month, THEN we can spend time with our families.  THEN we’ll have the time we need to focus on our faith.  The truth is that it’s a vicious cycle that consumes our thoughts with money – making it, spending it, saving it.  It’s never enough.  And when that’s our focus, our lives lack the contentment and peace God desires for us.  Nathan was about 34 years old when he recognized that he was caught in this cycle, unable to enjoy the things he had because he was focused on the next deal.

Weight of the World

At some point in our faith, most of us will struggle with doing what God has called us to do.  For Nathan, that time came when he was in college.  Though he’d been a Christian for most of his life, he was living his way, appeasing the flesh, and only calling on God when he wanted help.  The thing is he knew better.  Nathan had known for years what he needed to do, and he’d tried to bury it.  He knew he needed to be serving God.  He knew his life was missing the application of the Christian life.  His way of doing things did not represent the Christ who’d saved him when he was only six years old.  Pride had held him back from fully surrendering.  Now married and with a young daughter, Nathan longed for a better relationship with his wife.  He wanted to be a better example for his daughter.  He realized all of the relationships and potential relationships that were being negatively affected by doing things his way.The pressure, misery and stress, the anxiety of life – it all felt like he was walking around with ankle weights and carrying hundreds of pounds on his shoulders.  And it seemed that no matter what he did or how he did it, it just working out the way he needed it to.  He was finally ready to let go and do it God’s way.

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Nathan Tabor: 00:00 If I don’t work for six months and I don’t put any money into the bank and I run to the ATM to get money out, should I be mad at the ATM or should I be mad at myself?

Jake Enriquez: 00:13 Welcome to Press and Reach. On today’s episode, we’ll be speaking with Mr Nathan Tabor. You know, success is not always what it seems to be on the outside, but rather what God has intended for us to be on the inside. Stay tuned on this next episode, episode number 55, as we speak with Nathan Tabor about doing it God’s way. Let’s go!

Jake Enriquez: 00:42 Good Morning, afternoon, or evening! Whatever this may be to you, I sure hope and pray that you be found well in spirit, my friend. Hey, my name is Jacob Enriquez and it is a joy, honor and a privilege to be your host today. So please let me welcome you to press and reach a podcast where we’re simply walking out our faith and encouraging others along the way to do the same.

Jake Enriquez: 01:18 Welcome back to Press and Reach. My name is Jake Enriquez, your host event, and I hope and pray each and every one of you are found well in spirit in this beautiful morning.

Jake Enriquez: 01:23 Man we’ve got a lot of things going on out here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Not really sure where you may be from, but I hope and pray it’s all well for you today. You know, as was this role and through this morning listening to some stuff myself. Here’s some things going on out here you know today and they can be a lot of discouraging things take place. You know together. We all know that the fake news thing, it is still alive so, so remember this as you’re going through your day here at press and reach, we love to focus on the good news, the good news, which is the Gospel. Remember Christ Jesus is with you and for you, and if in fact he is with you and for you, that means the creator of Heaven and earth of all that is seen and unseen is with you today.

Jake Enriquez: 02:12 Who in the world could stand against you? Be encouraged today. Focus on the good news and remember the Lord. Jesus loves you. You know what, we have a guest today, I’ve asked him to come on and actually we, we spoke a little bit online, but he’s got a very interesting story. Um, I know as a Christian business owner sometimes we have a lot of questions, you know, and sometimes you can get caught up about making money or making it the right way. Am I doing the right thing? And I’ll tell you, our next guest is certainly going to lay his story open and tell us a little bit about that. His experiences with it. He’s a successful businessman, no doubt God has certainly given him an ability to earn a great income. But I can tell you he’s to. He’s going to explain to us how, Hey, we need to build the foundation the right way, no doubt a focus on what’s really right, um, seek the right relationship.

Speaker 1: 03:09 All those great things in a. I want you to hear it from him though, but before we get started, do me a favor. If you enjoy the episode, share it. All you gotta do is share it there on your phone. If you don’t know, how are you going to do is go to the episode, was playing on your phone and simply go to the options and share. I don’t know what kind of phone you have, but you know what I tell you, this is a great way to do it. If you have kids, go ask them. How do I share this episode? If you don’t have kids, look around because there’s some kids running around here somewhere that know how to do it, OK? So ask somebody if you don’t know how, how to share this episode. Hey, I’ll tell you what. Let’s go ahead and welcome our guest Mr Nathan Tabor.

Jake Enriquez: 03:49 Hey, so good morning [inaudible]. How are you doing this morning? My brother? Hey Man, thank you. First off, thank you so much for coming to hang out with us today on the show. I know you’ve got quite a bit of experience that I’m just going to tell you I’m interested in because we’re in the same line of work as real estate investors, but you’re doing a lot more than just real estate investing now because of your story is a great story and we really want to hear about it. I want, I want our listeners to hear about it because I think it’s of great importance, but before we do, I’m just going to ask you, just introduce yourself, who you are, where you’re from.

Nathan Tabor: 04:25 Yeah, sure. Again, my name’s Nathan Tabor. I’m from Kernersville, North Carolina, right outside of the Winston-Salem/Greensboro market. I’m 44. Been married for almost 15 years. Have a just newly minted teenage daughter, 13 years old going on 30. [Yes. Yes sir. All right.] I’ve been a basically a serial entrepreneur since graduating grad school. I’ve been in nutraceutical, basically pharmaceutical without FDA approval. Used cars. Buy here, pay here, sent over a billion emails, built 500 websites. I’m on a ton of consulting with businesses and individuals and been involved in real estate for the last 11 years and slipped a little over $52,000,000 worth of multi-family apartments.

Jake Enriquez: 05:13 OK. All right. And today, you know, we bring you on the show, you know, the podcast is about, you know, walking out your face and I do know and understand Nathan, that you know, we all as, as men in the faith struggle with different things and you’re, you’re doing some consulting, you’re doing some speaking and the story that you have as about a balanced life. And I want to let you just elaborate on that because, uh, I do know that you said for years you’ve struggled, you know, to find that balance. But just kind of tell us a little bit more about this endeavor and as you move forward in it, the balance life, what’s it all about where people are at different points in their walk with the Lord?

Nathan Tabor: 05:52 You know, I was fortunate. I grew up in a, in a home. My Dad was actually a preacher and a painter on the, on the during the week. So I grew up around the church, I grew up with a good solid biblical foundation, but then, you know, you get to that point where you make, you start making your own decisions and um, you know, never was that person. You’re not necessarily doing anything bad, but as life took over, I, um, you know, by the age of 26, 27, my brother and I owned a company, was doing over 20,000,000 a year in sales and we had grown up in Orange Crossroads, Alabama. I mean, I grew up, every picture I have. I was the youngest of three, so I’ve got patches on my knees and patches on my backside. Uh, we grew up eating a lot of vienna sausages, beanie weenies, crackers. My mom used to stand at the local, we call it a mall, but it was a little strip corner type thing and selling peanut brittle at Christmas.

Nathan Tabor: 06:56 We could have, you know, so they can have money to pay bills. Wow. I did not grow up, you know, I never knew I needed anything, but we would have been classified as, you know, right at poor growing up. And, but my dad was, ended up being successful in painting to the point that they, you know, he provided for us in that. My brother started this soy company. And so, you know, money was kind of a new thing to us. We never had it by the age I was 29, I was living in a 6,000 square foot house, had five cars and wasn’t married at.

Jake Enriquez: 07:33 OK. So I guess that’s where we really want to crack open a try to dig it and crack that open. How do we go from not having to having so much? You know, in that, in that realm right there.

Nathan Tabor: 07:48 And I see it so you know, go out and I speak at conferences where the real, you know, real estate investing or business management or I was just down in New Orleans with a group of 20 ceos in this. It’s always been around. It’s this mentality of to be successful, to make it, you have to have material things. Scripturally-wise, you look at it from Solomon, you look at it historically from the Egyptians and then just kind of come forward. We’ve always been a, a literally from basically the beginning of time of, you know, who has more in it, he or she who has more, they must be successful from the outside. It always looks like that right now so that it always looks like that. And you know, what I have found in my own life. And then what I found talking to a little over 300 men over the last, uh, three and a half, four years.

Nathan Tabor: 08:49 Um, there’s nothing wrong with money. I’m not, I’m not one of those Christians who say, oh, we should all be poor. Hey, God’s blessed you with it. You make as much as you can. But the moment that money replaces your focus from God and your focus becomes money. And this is where, this is where I got tripped up. And when I go to these conferences, this is where I can see it in people’s eyes. This is the way the thought goes. So if someone is starting to make money or they’re currently making money and they’re thinking, well, if I can make more money, then I can spend more time with my family. And that can then I can spend more time with my faith. Sure, sure. Well, so then you make more money, but then you spend more money and you create more debt with more debt requires that you make more money.

Nathan Tabor: 09:41 So you get to the goal that you had $10,000 a month, $20,000 a month, but then you don’t have time to spend time with your family or your faith because now you owe more money. So that all the, the sticker “I owe, I owe, off to work I go.” there you go. You know? So that becomes the, it becomes this vicious cycle. Sure. Thirty three, 34, 35 years old. I caught myself. Now I’m married and I’ve got a daughter, a little, a small child. And I catch myself in this vicious cycle that I get to the point where I can’t even enjoy the things that I have because money has consumed my thoughts. I go to bed thinking about money. I wake up thinking about money. I think about money. Now that money might be, hey, doing this next deal.

Jake Enriquez: 10:32 Yeah. Yeah. And that’s just it. When I’m listening to you and I’ve actually read what you’re talking about so that now where you are right now is a focus on helping people, well, to establish their focus. In other words, what is it you’re focusing on? What are you looking at and what’s the foundation that you’re trying to lay and we’re trying to lay the wrong foundation, well, that’s what happens is the things that you experienced, but in laying the right foundation you’re going to grab a different piece. So maybe what I see that and I see what you’re trying to do here and going forth with it. Definitely who have the experience because of how you grew up. And now did you say when you were 29 years old you were living in, was it 6,000 square foot home?

Nathan Tabor: 11:19 Yep. Five car garage, 6,000 square foot home, and I didn’t even have a girlfriend.

Jake Enriquez: 11:25 so you can definitely see both, uh, both sides and you could see the troubles that come with and you know, focusing on the wrong thing, but a little bit more about when you were growing up. You say your dad was a preacher.

Nathan Tabor: 11:40 So I grew up in a little town called Orange Crossroads, Alabama in my dad was a circuit minister, so every four Sundays, nine, 900 people in a little town we grew up in, when my dad would go to different little country churches and preach every Sunday growing up, we were at a little church with 20 or 30 people in it and my dad would come in and preach, you know, just Sunday morning. And uh, so that’s how I know, that’s how I grew up, basically was in the deep south going to church every four weeks.

Jake Enriquez: 12:18 I get it, I get it. Well, let’s get some, let’s get some inner thought on that. So let’s just see here because if I’m growing up that way and dad’s a circuit preacher, like you’re saying, so he gets out there and he preaches the word of God, but I’m looking around and we don’t really have a whole lot type of thing and he’s preaching about God that, that, you know, of course is our provider. What were your thoughts when you see or when you hear dad preaching about God and how he’s our provider? He is our redeemer, all of that. And you’re looking around saying, I don’t know, did you have doubts? Did you have concerns? What was your belief really like?

Nathan Tabor: 12:55 He had no, you know, I was um, you know, we never really had that because at least in the area we grew up in, there wasn’t really any one that had money. OK. So everyone I went to school with, everyone I played with, everyone I went to church with, we were all kind of in the same boat. Every family worked. Every family did. Every, you know, there wasn’t in the area. We were in a was land, cotton, some soybean, corn, like we grew potatoes. I don’t know why. Well, I guess her garland was a good for potatoes. And this front Mr Crowe grew corn, right? Right. So when it came time, Mr Crow would bring over, I don’t know how many bushels of corn and trade my family for x number of bushels on potatoes because he didn’t grow potatoes. OK. Local, the local butcher. We would, you know, raise a pig or a cow and we would take it up to a little place called Jiffy Mart. Mr Marcus would slaughter and process the pig or the cow and he keep 25 percent for his cost and he would sell the 25 percent in his store to those who didn’t raise that animal. It was very, it was a, none of us self contained. unctioning area. If you didn’t have what you needed, somebody in the area would that needed, that would trade you out. Something that you didn’t have.

Jake Enriquez: 14:22 Right. OK. So it wasn’t like a, you weren’t doubting or you weren’t not believing. It wasn’t like that. I see. So, but, but definitely because everybody was kind of the same. I mean it was the environment of this is how we do it kind of thing. But what about you inside? Did you feel like there’s something more? There’s something I could do a whole lot more than this?

Nathan Tabor: 14:42 My biggest struggle for me growing up was, you know, by the time I got to college, um, and every, every, every Christian struggles with this, if there’ll be honest with it, is doing what God has called you to do it. I grew up in the south. And so this kind of the feeling of, you know, God’s this judgmental God, you better do everything He’s told you to do. Um, Christianity is a set of, of laws and beliefs, not really from my dad, but more from the time I got into high school and I went to a local Christian school and um, you know, kind of that thought. And so it kind of became this will, you know, if I, if I do this, what Christianity won’t, you know, what kind of fun is that going to be? And one things that I think that are highly involved in, in various Christian organizations and have been. Don’t hear too many people say this, sin is fun. If sin wasn’t fun, I wouldn’t struggle with my flesh. [Exactly] And too many times I think Christians, and I’m not trying to challenge evangelical Christian thought or any of that, but we do need to address that. The reason someone wants to go out and do opposite of what God has called them to do is one of two things. One, they don’t want to do it or they’re enjoying their flesh too much.

Jake Enriquez: 16:11 Definitely. So. And I, I agree with you 100 percent because after all, those are the draws. You know, that’s the stuff that draws us over there. We look, and I had a buddy of mine that likes to say it – Everybody wants a piece of the devil’s pie.

Nathan Tabor: 16:27 Well, here, here’s my favorite saying now – You can’t shack up with the devil and expect God to pay your rent.

Jake Enriquez: 16:33 Hey Man. Hey Man. Tell you what, let’s take a really quick break and we’ll be right back.

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Jake Enriquez: 17:21 Welcome back to Press and Reach. We’re hanging out with Mr Nathan Tabor and you know, before the break, Nathan, we were talking about, um, the struggle that pretty much all Christians having as doing what God calls us to do. And you know, eventually though Nathan a, there’s a separation that takes place in society. Really wants to keep God on the back burner or just have a division right down the middle. Make sure we keep God over here, called over there. And eventually a lot of us end up doing that because of what appeases society. What do you think about, um, the relationship? How do you tie in to that relationship with God?

Nathan Tabor: 17:55 I wanted to run to God when I wanted help or need. If I don’t work for six months and I don’t put any money into the bank and I run to the ATM to get money out, should I be mad at the ATM or should I be mad at myself? There you go.

Jake Enriquez: 18:11 Well, there’s nothing coming out because nothing went in, right?

Nathan Tabor: 18:14 Right. So you know, if you want that sustaining grace and mercy from God, we have to build that foundation that we have to build that relationship. And that relationship is moment by moment, not turn the light switch on in the morning. When you start looking at this and say, well, how does all this apply to real estate or business? It perfectly applies across the board.

Nathan Tabor: 18:42 Absolutely it does. He talks about, you know, where do you build your house? You build it on the sand, or do you build it on the rock? Where do you build your business? Will, if you don’t have a business plan, and if you don’t, if you haven’t defined your niche and you don’t know how you’re going to grow your business, don’t be surprised when you do something and it turns out good, and then you try to duplicate it and you can’t, or you, you have great things for a year or two and then you fall on your face. If you don’t have the right foundation in your business, just as if you don’t have the right foundation with God, eventually it fails.

Jake Enriquez: 19:17 Absolutely it does. Man. I tell you what, Nathan, you’re, you’re talking about a, a something that I know and I believe and I understand so many people struggle with out here and in our business, you know, uh, you know, a lot of people want to go do their own business, do their own thing.

Jake Enriquez: 19:35 But if we go about it the wrong way, you’re exactly right. Those things are not going to turn out so beautiful. But you know what it is seasonal. Like you’re saying, it could look very good for a minute, but then out of nowhere it comes, you know, if we haven’t built upon the right foundation.

Nathan Tabor: 19:50 I got backed in the corner and I was like, no one else will, will know how I feel or they’ll I’ll be embarrassed to tell someone else. Yes. At the same thing in your business, if you’ve got a question about a contract or a question about something, don’t bury that little internal feeling. Your stomach or the holy ghost or whoever it may be. Talk to someone about it.

Jake Enriquez: 20:15 Absolutely. That’s good. That’s great advice. You know, because it’s, it’s, uh, I think that’s probably the hardest thing about any business is learning and coming in is to go get around people that know what they’re doing and ask.

Nathan Tabor: 20:30 Here’s, here’s the opposite challenge of that. If you’ve been successful or you have, you’re either older in age or mature in your life, take the time to talk to those who aren’t. If a young Christian is coming to a mature Christian and that mature Christian doesn’t take the time to disciple and mentor that person or help find them someone, I think you’ll stand before God and give an account for why you didn’t help that young person. Even though they might not be young in age, they be young in their relationship with Christ.

Jake Enriquez: 21:06 Yes, the walk is a reciprocated walk. In other words, as you walk, you can turn around and you give back and help others to walk. You know, as you know, you’ve got to do that all throughout as we continue to go because I believe just as your led in certain directions by his spirit to go into a certain direction and you know, like you seek different counseling, different advice, and God speaks through people. As he puts people in our path. We’re also to be those ones that turn back and do the same like what you’re talking about right there.

Nathan Tabor: 21:33 So what happens is, and what happened to me is when God puts someone in in our path, but we’re so focused on making money or we’re so stressed or we’re so worried that we don’t take the time to help them. So now we’ve got two things on our hands and you know what also, you know, when you’re not where you’re supposed to be, you know, read this in the biblical side, Jonah, David, Samson, and then all of those. But as a, as a man, when I wasn’t leading the way I was supposed to, I affected my wife, I affected my child, I affected those who worked for me. I affected my subcontractors. I effected people who didn’t even know me. I’m sure I will stand before the Lord and give an account for someone looking over and saying, you know, I don’t know him, but I know because I’ve ran for office, I’ve been active in my community. That’s Nathan Tabor. And if that’s a Christian. No thank you.

Jake Enriquez: 22:47 I’ll tell you what, Nathan, I mean, I, I get what you’re saying. Absolutely. And reminds me of the grace of God though. We’re going to get deeper to that, but let me ask you this man, because of, uh, your life and because of the story, because of where you’re at now, I think about maybe somebody else who might be going through the same thing, just kind of pushing hard, go hard, being driven, going after it. Maybe they’re successful in business, maybe they have all these great things going, right? And maybe there’s that type that’s coming upon them or maybe they feel the way that you felt. So tell me about the time and when, uh, if you can, if I don’t know how you just jump into it, but when you knew that you weren’t living for God and everything changed for you. I think it was 2014.

Nathan Tabor: 23:33 Um, October 2014 was kind of the, the, the turning point. For years I had known what I needed to. I had buried it. Um, you know, I knew that I needed to be serving God. I knew that I needed to be acting not only a Christian, I needed to, I needed, I knew what I needed to be doing, but I actually needed to apply. And as a husband, as a married person, the one thing that kept me cornered for years, I mean three, four, possibly five years was the thought of going and apologizing to my wife.

Nathan Tabor: 24:24 This pride, this arrogance, this self-centeredness that exists in our, in our flesh, in us is probably, I would say the hardest thing we deal with, the first thing we have to deal with, because, you know, for me it was, I was on the board of the National Religious Broadcasters, the largest evangelical Christian organization in the world. Um, I was known in the community. I was, you know, I, I my pride, so, you know, going and telling my wife that, you know, my life was not where it needed to be, was the hardest part. You know what I found out after I apologized to her?

Jake Enriquez: 24:24 What’s that?

Nathan Tabor: 25:16 So the Lord finally brought me to a point, basically like, hey, you need to make a decision. Do you want to serve Me or not? And I decided to serve God so I have to apologize to my wife, my wife, when I don’t…I’m not an emotional person. Don’t, didn’t cry when my dog died. Didn’t cry when my daughter was born and I walk in our bedroom and I’m just bawl, I mean I can’t. I can’t hold it back. I’m just emotional. I’m crying. I’m, you know, doing that, sucking the air and my wife started something horrible has happened and not tell her I’m sorry for not being the man of God that I should have been over the years.

Jake Enriquez: 25:51 Now, before you go any further, the reason I want to ask you this, in this moment, because your wife is looking at you like something’s horribly wrong, but you’re saying these things about not being the man of God that you should have been all these years, but life wasn’t bad before that. In other words, she sees a good life before that, right? I mean, you guys are driving great cars, nice house, everything seems great, and it seeems good.

Nathan Tabor: 26:15 From a monetary side, there, you know, they’re really, really wasn’t immune things were always when you’re in real estate, you know, you’re waiting for the next big deal. But I know things were going along well. We were, I think we’d been to Disney 25 or 26 times in the last five years and we had an RV and nice cars and yeah, Europe six months earlier. So I mean, you know, I mean we were. Things were going along for her to, for me to be coming and saying that to her, um, was a little bit, well obviously out of character, but what I found out later, a few months afterwards, she already knew, had known, that I wasn’t where I was supposed to be with God for a number of years. She knew because, you know, she saw me in the morning.

Nathan Tabor: 27:02 She saw me, you know, at night pacing around. She saw me, you know, blow up on people. She saw me. Um, you know, people might compliment and used to be is you’d make a great attorney that, no offense to attorneys, but I could, I could tear someone up one side down the other for not doing their job or doing it wrong and you know, talking with her and having that relationship, you know, I wanted more out of my relationship with my wife. I a more on my relationship with God, but I wanted more out of relationship with my wife and I tried it in the material things and trips and it worked for a time period, but you know, it got to a point where I wanted my wife to put her arms around me and love me and be proud of me for who I was.

Nathan Tabor: 27:48 Sure. My wife wanted me to spend quality time with her and appreciate who she was, but we couldn’t even sit down and really have a serious conversation or always laugh and say the cabinet door would slam in the kitchen and we would end up in a 30 minute or three hour argument over the cabinet door slamming. Oh my goodness. You laugh about that because you’ve had that, right? You know, most people don’t want to admit that, but you accidentally that you’re putting the door. Now they have these new hinges where they won’t slam, but you know, you go to close and it slips out and he hits and he goes, Oh, you hurt my ear in now. Now you know what we do when that happens, when we stop and say, wait, I’m sorry I did not mean to let that slip, but what’s really bothering you? You know what you find out when you can talk to someone?

Nathan Tabor: 28:38 You find out that you know, they got a call that your granddad’s not doing well or they’re stressed over this. You know, as our spouses. I mean, you know, I have a wife and that should be your number one. Go to outside of dod, outside of praying with God and talk to, you know, studying his word. That should be your number one go-to. So we should be able to sit down with our spouses and say, this is my fears. These are my concerns. This is what I’m going through. But if you’re not where you’re supposed to be with God, if you’re not talking with God, you’re not going to be talking with your spouse. So wouldn’t that immediately right there that puts you on dangerous grounds in your business because if you’re not seeking the advice of your spouse in your personal but in your business life, it’s not if you’re going to make a mistake, it’s when, when are you gonna make a mistake and how big is it going to be?

Jake Enriquez: 29:30 And it will be big. But whatever you walked into the room, her, you said you’re not right with God and you haven’t been living that way. What was their reaction? What did she say during that moment?

Nathan Tabor: 29:45 She didn’t actually say much. He was, um, kind of like deer in the headlight look. It was like, um, you know, I think she was looking up to see if I’d like lost my mind. Yeah. Um, you know, see if there was any blood on me anywhere or, um, I think actually, I don’t know if this is in my story, I don’t think I put it in there because the way it came over, but I think she thought for a moment I might be getting ready to kill everybody in the household because it was so out of character, but the pressure, misery and stress, the anxiety of life, Jake, had just becomes so, I mean, just felt like I was walking around with hundreds of pounds on my shoulders and ankle weights and didn’t seem to matter what I did or how I did it. It ultimately just didn’t work out the way I needed it to.

Jake Enriquez: 30:37 And that stress that you’re talking about is that every day hustle of business, in other words, going, going, going, where’s the next deal coming from, um, these issues that may come up with a different project. Whatever you have going on. So all these things just start consuming your mind. And really everything behind it is, is really the money.

Nathan Tabor: 30:57 Yeah, well then, you know, it’s not just the business because when the business starts to go, then it’s the, the little fight with the vendor because they don’t give you the price they used to and then it’s the bigger fight with the vendor that you’ve been friends with for 15 years [Now they jack the prices up] Well they have to, you know, but you’re like, man, you’d known me. Why are you doing it in an in? Then it’s the guy who’s worked for you and then it’s the waitress that you don’t even know. And then you know, you don’t spend time with your wife or your kids. I mean it. Yes, it starts out business, right? And you know, the problem in our mind is it’s all business. Ultimately, that’s just a symptom.

Jake Enriquez: 31:36 Man, brother Nathan, you’re exactly right. You know, I gotta be honest with you, chase chasing everything else, but Jesus was surely have us in a place like that. But there’s good news. You know, once we start living our life with the Lord Jesus Christ, everything changes. All the relationships change a, there’s a brand new horizon. The scripture says, man, any man in the Lord is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold the new has come. Do me a favor and join us next time as we complete and finish and wrap up the story here with Mr Nathan Tabor. He continues and explains a little bit about what happened after that. So again, join us next time for episode number 56 with Nathan Tabor. In the meantime for the show notes on this episode, simply go to press and reach dot com forward slash pr 55.

Jake Enriquez: 32:29 Once again, it’s been a joy hanging out with you, so please keep pressing, and reaching, and remember that you are not walking out your faith alone out here for He has promised that He will never leave you nor forsake you. Have a blessed and wonderful day.

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